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May 15 17 1:45 PM
Underground Democrat wrote:Charles Crossley Jr wrote:Why, thanks UD. Foster & Lloyd was a pleasant surprise this time around.Are you surprised at how limited Asleep At The Wheel's and Barbara Mandrell's influence turned out? Those were unpleasant surprises to me.Well, it seems western swing has always been an acquired taste(albeit, a taste I have acquired) ,even during the swing revival.Barbara Mandrell is a most talented musician , a fine vocalist , she really knows music, and she is easy on the eyes ,but she has the same problem Three Dog Night and Chubby Checker have ,which is lack of originally ,but at least Checker did have major social impact (as the first real teen idol of color),TDN had lots of major pop hits, she had none of that.
Charles Crossley Jr wrote:Why, thanks UD. Foster & Lloyd was a pleasant surprise this time around.Are you surprised at how limited Asleep At The Wheel's and Barbara Mandrell's influence turned out? Those were unpleasant surprises to me.
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May 15 17 7:27 PM
Underground Democrat wrote:Sonny James did almost nothing but covers, but he did them in a most original way ,and he was respected in both country and pop for that.
May 16 17 12:37 PM
Charles Crossley Jr wrote:Underground Democrat wrote:Sonny James did almost nothing but covers, but he did them in a most original way ,and he was respected in both country and pop for that.Country music respected Mandrell, too. They inducted her into the Country Music Hall of Fame in 2009. They only got around to inducting Sonny James in 2006 merely three years before her. And how many country artists are waiting to get into that institution? It just seems there is some sort of disconnect between all those originals she charted, many of which hit #1 country, her induction into the CMHoF, and despite all that next to nobody cites her as an influence and nobody covers her songs.While Mandrell only hit the pop top 40 once, James hit it twice: #25 in 1957 with "First Date, First Kiss, First Love", one of his originals, and #1 on both charts with "Young Love", officially a cover song, although I've never heard of Ric Cartey with the Jiva-Tones before.
I understand all of that,but Sonny James could take Jimmy Reed's ''Bright Lights ,Big City" (an electric Chicago Blues) and turn it into a Delta Blues,and that's why people in both country and pop liked him (I'm sure that Sonny James emerging during the late 50s when country and pop were both having major crossover also played a major part in why people in both camps liked him).
If I'm not mistaken(and I could be) ,the CMHoF put Conway Twitty in only after he died ,and they have yet to put Jerry Lee Lewis or Carl Perkins in.
Mandrell did ''I Was Country When Country Wasn't Cool" and she indeed was ,yet that particular record had all sorts of pop trappings on it.
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May 17 17 12:11 PM
Charles Crossley Jr wrote:And maybe that's the problem. I say that because, after the car accident, the 80s effectively ended, SoundScan took over the Billboard 200 album charts, and when everyone looked at the first Billboard album chart based on point of sales data, the first thing they said was "Who is Garth Brooks?"New country isn't rooted in the pop leanings of much of the country music from the late 70s throughout the 80s. New country embraced the honky tonk of Hank Williams, Jr. So, basically, if you weren't rooted in the Eagles, Lynyrd Skynyrd, Waylon Jennings, Willie Nelson and Hank Williams, Jr., you were no longer what most country fans wanted to hear anymore. A handful of 80s country acts, such as Alabama, survived, and several, like Patty Loveless and Reba McEntire, were already ready for the changeover in tastes. Now that I think of it in that way, Barbara Mandrell didn't fit in with the way country music took in the 90s. Respected but not influential because of a change of tastes based on the revelation of what actually was selling.If my guess is right, it certainly spins my head.
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Underground Democrat wrote:Charles,I didn't see either of these on your list : Taj Mahall ,Jurassic 5 ,and the Mighty Mighty Bosstones?And it should be Wayne Fontana and the Mindbenders ,IMO Game Of Love is the most underrated album of the British Invasion and one of the most underrated albums ever of any genre or era.
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Underground Democrat wrote:It is hard (at least for me)reading and trying to comprehend such a long list., especially when on a tight schedule ,glad Taj is on the list(though I'd rank him higher )to me the Game of Love album was their peak ,so I'd call them Wayne Fontana and the Mindbenders.
May 20 17 12:12 PM
Charles Crossley Jr wrote:Underground Democrat wrote:It is hard (at least for me)reading and trying to comprehend such a long list., especially when on a tight schedule ,glad Taj is on the list(though I'd rank him higher )to me the Game of Love album was their peak ,so I'd call them Wayne Fontana and the Mindbenders.Note you wrote "to me The Game Of Love was their peak...". That's looking at them from quality. From an influence perspective, as many people if not more covered "A Groovy Kind Of Love" as there have been covering "Game Of Love". It's the combination of both those songs, as well as other inspirations, that brought them to that ranking as far as influence goes. As far as quality goes, that's a different question. And speaking of quality and lists, are you working on your update to your quality list? If not, get the lead out, will ya? Ya ain't gettin' no younger, y'know? . . . As for reading the list, the list is now so long, I have to read it slowly one line at a time in order to take it all in. Any faster and it's just a list of names.
I'll get started on it soon , when I finish might be another matter.
Them and Herman's Hermits will be on it,I've found out they both did enough on their records to warrant inclusion.
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Charles Crossley Jr wrote:Jeopardy answer: A group of studio musicians form a group that has big hits on the top 40 chart.
Question: Who is Toto?
Well, not necessarily. . . .
There is also Mr. Mister. Yes, of "Broken Wings" and "Kyrie" fame. In fact, Mr. Mister almost came apart just as it was taking off. Member Richard Page was offered the spot vacated by Peter Cetera in Chicago and the spot vacated by Bobby Kimball of the aforementioned Toto while Mr. Mister was just another band. But, they stayed together, they had four top 40 hits, and the rest you can look up if you want. Still, because of Richard Page's songwriting, Page's and George's sessionographies and, of course, Pat Mastelotto's subsequent work, including becoming a member of King Crimson, they racked up a list. The only problem is - although they covered and sampled the songs and collaborated with the members, not many of the following acts cite Mr. Mister as an influence: Michael Jackson, Ringo Starr, Donna Summer, Hall & Oates, Elvis Costello, Madonna, 2Pac, King Crimson, Dionne Warwick, Chaka Khan, the Pointer Sisters, Patti LaBelle, Cher, XTC, Amy Grant, Debarge, Matthew Sweet, Meat Loaf, Gloria Gaynor, Twisted Sister, Eddie Money, the Sugarcubes, Toto, Anne Murray, Robyn Hitchcock, Michael W. Smith, Richard Marx, Village People, Sheena Easton, A Taste Of Honey, Foxy Brown, Melanie, Jewel, Swervedriver, Laura Branigan, Whitesnake, ...And You Will Know Us By The Trail Of Dead, Quarterflash, the Inner Circle, Laura Branigan, the Rembrandts, Al Jarreau, Kenny Loggins, Englebert Humperdinck, Najee, Leona Lewis, Grover Washington, Jr., Patrick Leonard, Bill Champlin of Chicago, Joe Zawinul of Weather Report, David Sylvian of Japan, Celine Dion, Barry Manilow, Rick Springfield, Jason Donovan, Josh Groban, Clay Aiken and John Tesh, among many others.
Speaking of Toto, they are one of the acts on my list I'll be looking at. It occurred to me that I didn't look at the individual members sessionographies after they became members of Toto, nor their songwriting credits throughout their careers.
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